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131. From Venezuela to Visionary: Building a New Life with Gabrielena Alcalá

• Alethea Felton • Season 3 • Episode 131

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What happens when home is no longer an option? For Gabrielena Alcalá, a temporary scholarship turned into a lifelong journey of resilience. In this episode, she shares how she built a new life after realizing she could never return to Venezuela—thriving in healthcare consulting and amplifying everyday changemakers through her podcast, A Cada Paso. With a mindset of action over victimhood, Gabrielena reveals how she creates meaning in uncertainty, helps others transform their lives, and instills a powerful belief in her daughters: Anything you truly want to do, you can do.

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Alethea Felton:

What does it take to build a thriving career while amplifying the voices of everyday changemakers? Well, today, on the Power Transformation Podcast, we welcome , who is a healthcare consultant, entrepreneur and podcast host. You see, Gaby's journey from Venezuela to the United States is one of resilience, adaptation and purpose. And through her podcast, A Cada Paso, she shares the inspiring stories of unsung heroes making a difference in their communities, unsung heroes making a difference in their communities. And in this episode, Gaby opens up about her own path, some of the challenges she's faced in her true transformation. And I welcome you to the Power Transformation Podcast. I am your host, Alethea Felton, and if you have not done so already, go ahead and follow, like, subscribe and share the Power Transformation Podcast. And, as a reminder, we are also on YouTube now. I am gradually uploading YouTube episodes, so they're not all up there just yet, but stay tuned.

Alethea Felton:

Let's go ahead and jump right into this incredible interview. We start here on the audio podcast with our affirmation. I'll say the affirmation once and you repeat it With every step forward. I create new possibilities for myself and others. I am so happy today to have this guest, Gaby Alcala, here on the Power Transformation Store, the Power Transformation Podcast. I was going to say Power Transformation Story, because she certainly has a story. But welcome Gaby. I'm so glad to have you here today.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.

Alethea Felton:

Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here, thank you so much, and the audience heard a little bit about you in terms of professionally, prior to us starting, and you're going to share more of your story, but I always like to start with a fun, lighthearted, icebreaker question, and so this is the question for you. And so this is the question for you, gabi, if you could choose a day to just have nothing but leisure, no work, no anything, what would that ideal day look like for?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

you. Well, I'm going to start by saying that a full day of leisure, like staying at home doing nothing, will not work for me.

Alethea Felton:

I realize.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

I know now for certain that I'm happy when I'm in movement. So a day of fleece for me will be doing some sport, intense sport. After doing sports, seeing some friends, maybe going to lunch or maybe going for a little walk, um, then sometime by myself, doing whatever I feel like doing I don't know, depending on my and probably seeing the sunset, uh the, at some nice place where there is water, there is a body of water. That will be a leisure day, and then come home and be with my family.

Alethea Felton:

I love the water also. What is it about the water that really draws you in?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

You know, I don't know it's funny, because I don't like to be inside the water. I hate being inside the water, but I think looking at the water calms me down and I'm the type of person that is always on, on, on. So that's why I like it, because it kind of relaxes me, it gives me I don't know, it's like it helps me say, okay, I just want to slow down now.

Alethea Felton:

Indeed, yeah, wow, so we've. We've learned a little bit about you just through that aspect. But the question I have next is if a person were to ask you who is Gabi Alcala, what would you say to them?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

I will say Gabi is a very organized person, very with a lot of how do you say determination, and people say that I have a lot of willpower. I will say that it's say that I have a lot of willpower. I will say that it's more, that I'm very connected to my values and to the things that I want for my life and the things that bring me energy. So I'm extremely connected and any decision I take it's connected with that. I'm very family oriented, very clear on the things that I like, very clear that I want to protect my family, indeed and very honest and direct.

Alethea Felton:

I will say when does that sense of protecting your family stem from? Did that come from your early origins, or is it something that you've learned to just develop over the years? Take us to that.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

Yeah, no, early in my life my father was. He had four other siblings and they were very close to each other. I never heard them fighting. I always saw them helping each other. We got together every weekend. The extended family, everybody was a huge family and it was all fun and good. Even in difficult moments we were there together and sharing amazing time. To this day, my father passed away, unfortunately, but to this day I'm so close to my uncles, to my cousins, even though we don't live in the same city. But it's just an incredible family. In fact, when my father was ill in his last days, he spent two months at a hospital in Venezuela and the family was together the whole two months. We helped each other. There wasn't a single day with less than six or seven people at the hospital and we were. I mean, it was a dramatic moment. We were laughing, we were doing things that my father used to love to do. We lived his last few days the way he wanted to live life.

Alethea Felton:

Wow. Now that is definitely a beautiful testament to the power of family love and just coming together in those challenging times. So let's go back some prior to us, going to where you are now, and just paint a picture for me. Share with us a pivotal moment in your childhood that really started to shape and solidify your identity, which eventually led you to be the person you are today.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

So I mean, I think there are a lot of traits that I have right now that are that were part of me since I was born, from what my parents described me, but I think I was.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

I live in a small town in venezuela. Life was really good, uh, and there was there's starting to appear economic problems in venezuela that affected a lot my family and affected my father, and then my father got sick. He was a physician and he couldn't work for a little or for some time. So there were some economic issues, both at the national level, but also that my family and I realized that I wanted to have a life that gave me the possibility of having options. So I knew very clear, I was very clear that I needed to be educated, that I needed to be connected with different people and that I needed to pursue the things that I really wanted, to have the options in my life. And that's how I ended up studying in the United States. Even though my family couldn't pay for my education here, I found ways to get a scholarship so that I could be educated here.

Alethea Felton:

You know, I think that's actually very commendable is that you knew early on, or at least had an idea as to what kind of life that you wanted to pay for yourself, because sometimes I have encountered people, yes, who are similar to you, who knew, but then there were others I've met who were like I don't know. Now, me, my life has continued to change year after year after year, but I always knew from a young age that I wanted to at least be established, of course, have a very good education and solid background, and so that to me, I think, is very, very honorable is that you took a leap. But, gabby this is my thing you took a leap to a different country. A lot of people do not do that. A lot of people do not do that. You actually left a different country, different continent even, to really pursue a new life. So, education you came to the States Out of all of the places. What drew you and led you to come to the US?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

US. So I think it was. I mean, it was more. There was this program in Venezuela to help Venezuelans to study post-graduate education in the United States. Oh, okay. So a few of my friends from my university, my college, were doing it and they mentioned it and I said, ok, I want to do the same. So I applied and I got in. So at that moment it was only the United States where they were sending people, so I never explored any other place, just because those were the options. But I want to say that when you say I moved to another country, the reality is that I came here to study. Only I didn't come with the idea of staying in the United States. My idea was to study, so it was fun, and then go back to Venezuela. But things started to deteriorate in Venezuela at a very fast pace and we said a few of us who came on the DAP program we said, well, let's stay in the United States until things get better.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

It's been 30 years and they have gotten worse, not better.

Alethea Felton:

Wow, wow. I can only imagine that and thank you for bringing out that part is that? There's something to me when it comes to home, regardless of where a person is, it's like, yes, you may have come here to study, but home is still home.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

Yes.

Alethea Felton:

Yeah, home is still home, it's going to be home. And so, with you coming to the States and then you realizing you know what Home isn't quite as I remembered it. It's changing. Maybe it's not the best thing for me. Take us through those times, gabby, of how you adjusted and then, I guess, finally accepted the fact that this is where you were going to have to make your life, because that's not for the weak. A lot of people cannot do it and on top of that, become such a success as you have been. So how did you learn over the years to just navigate and reconcile within yourself to make the best out of this particular situation, although that longing for home has always been there?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

Yeah, that's a good question, as a friend of mine, from your wife, by the way, he said to my husband and I at some point you don't decide to stay, you keep staying. And I think that's what happened. We never decide to stay here, you just keep staying until you probably become more part. You're not from here, not from there. And for a long time you always I always kept hope that I was going to go back.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

In fact, I would go to Venezuela often and see my physicians there. I would send my clothing for repair there, I would buy my medicines there, Everything was there. I would go like two or three times a year until things started to get so bad in Venezuela you couldn't even go because it was very, it was not safe to go and the situation got so bad that actually they made thousands, thousands of millions of people left Venezuela to other countries because you couldn't live there. So there was no option to go. In fact, it's easier for I mean easier in the sense to make the decision to stay when you don't have the option to go back. So for many, many years, and to this day, I don't have the option to go back. I mean I could, but it would be pretty stupid to go back. It would be very complicated to go back.

Alethea Felton:

And thank you for even saying that B because especially here and I am not a political podcast I'm going to tell people that already I don't talk about politics or anything, but I'm just saying this generally, no matter what side of politics people are on, in the US the concept of immigration is huge and for you coming through legal routes and I even share with you I'm part Mexican and so I've lived in Mexico I do understand, even if it's from Mexico, latin America, south America, wherever any continent on in earth.

Alethea Felton:

I know a lot of people who have come to the States due to school and have had to stay, and maybe they didn't want to.

Alethea Felton:

But when you talk about the concept of not being able to go back, sometimes that can be challenging for people from the states who are born and raised here to really understand, because until you've had that experience, I'm from here, I'm from the States, but I understand why people come here and the fact that a lot of them just cannot go back because it's safer. So I do appreciate you saying that, because there's so many things that our news and our media don't show and, frankly, don't care about here, and I think should, because it is the plight of so many people who are really longing for home and just can't. So that leads me in that, this area of thinking about who you are as a person and what you do. There are a couple of layers of it, but I want to get into the healthcare aspect of it first is what led you to have a career, let alone a thriving career, in the healthcare industry? Is it something that you set out to do or did it kind of come to you that you set out to do?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

or did it kind of come to you? Well, my father, as I mentioned, was a physician in Venezuela and I was very close to him and I wanted to follow his path, but I didn't want to be a physician. So I found a way. So I studied economics and then I found a way to be involved in health care, but more from the management side of health care and in process improvement and quality improvement and all those areas. And that's how I chose health care, more following my father's path, but not necessarily the same one that he had father's path, but not necessarily the same one that he had, and what has been one of the most fulfilling aspects of your career in health care.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

I mean, you're asking a hard question right now because health care is so complicated in the United States. Oh it is. I have more frustration than yeah, I don't, I don't. I mean, I'm like, yeah, but it's okay, it's okay, I get it.

Alethea Felton:

You don't have to look. This is just a conversation.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

You don't have to answer that no, no, no, I I actually have something. I think it has been to understand how the system works so that I can be an empowered patient and not a patient that goes and takes things as they are told. I have now tools that allows me to be more engaged with my own care and that of my family and my friends when I can.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

So I understand the health care system a lot to know how to navigate. That doesn't mean it's easy, that doesn't mean it's not going to be broken for me at all, but at least I understand how it works.

Alethea Felton:

But at least I understand how it works Exactly. Fact, gabby, that although you've had this career in healthcare, one of your passion areas or your passion project is truly helping people share their stories, helping people shift and transition to the next level, and as a coach, you help people to do that and to move past that. So take us on this journey of what led you toward coaching and then share specifically how you coach people and what your sweet spot is. What is that passion area when it comes to coaching? Tell us about something in your life that happened that led you to that.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

Yeah. So I think I can connect a little bit the work that I do in healthcare to my coaching, in the sense that one of the things that I like to do now in my healthcare life and going back to your previous question is there is a transition now to a better healthcare system that is called value-based care. So what I do then and we're not going to get into those details but I'm helping providers be more successful in that space, and I kept hearing from my clients that they like how I related with a stakeholder, how I manage the project, how I help them transition through these in a very organized way. So that's one thing. And then I realized that I had been creating my own business, like completely on my own, for a long time because I have those set of skills a long time because I have those set of skills. But at some point I realized that it was a lot of work to do these things on my own. So I decided to get a coach and I realized how important it was to have someone who helped me, even though I was a counter.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

I'm very. If I say I'm going to do something, I'll do it, but it was nice to do something with someone else to brainstorm ideas. So last year I said why don't I do the same? Why don't I help other people move their ideas forward so that they don't do it alone? Those people that need that accountability, that someone to help them and hold their hand in a certain way. And since I'm very organized and I have this stakeholder ability, I mean I'm able to relate with people well, why don't I use those skills toward helping people advance their ideas? That's how I decided to be in the coaching business. So everything is a little bit connected. It's the same type of skills and the same idea of helping people advance something.

Alethea Felton:

So how exactly do you go about doing that? So how exactly do you go about doing that? Maybe not telling all of your trade tips and secrets, but say, if a client or a person comes to you and they want to advance, they want to move forward, but they're absolutely just stuck. They don't know how to get there, they don't know how to piece it together, just stuck, they don't know how to get there, they don't know how to piece it together, how can you go about shifting and moving, and just not moving them, but really getting them to excel into that next version of themselves that they want to be in order to attain that goal that they're seeking?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

Yeah, so I start from the beginning.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

Let's get to know each like, get, get to know yourself. Who are you, who do you really want to be? What do you enjoy? What are your values, what kind of life you want to have, what are your strengths, what are the shadows of yours, of those strengths? Strengths, because sometimes the shadow of your strength are really holding you back. So we start with all of that and there try to be very clear of the type of life that will bring you the most joy and that will be the kind of life you can have for a long time, because you can do things for three months, but you have to find something that you can do in the long run, because otherwise, you know it's not easy. So you have to keep going, and so we start with that. If the person wants to have they already have an idea of a business they want to do we use a framework that is very step-by-step on what are the things they need to do to start getting that service or product out there and also helping them with tips on organization.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

Okay, on organization, because what I find a lot is that it's missing that part of the structure, and the structure, the tools and the changes you need to implement in your life to really do what you want to do for the long term. So I will say it's like three parts, or the third part is connected with the second is identifying really well who you are using, a framework that is very step by step to get that product or service out, and then also organizational tools that you can use and tips that you can use to remain productive.

Alethea Felton:

That is a very systemic and organized process, and you said from the beginning that you're a very organized person, and so I can see how all of this comes together in play, and, as you're coaching your clients, it kind of sparks the question for me. Gabby, in thinking about your own life journey, tell me about a time where maybe you felt a bit stuck and how you had to push yourself out of that to evolve into the place where you want it to be next.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

I guess I am very. My husband says when I want something, I go for it. I'm rarely stuck for it.

Alethea Felton:

Yes, I'm rarely stuck, but I have to say that we get stuck with our own, with our self-limiting belief.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

There are days that I wake up and say, who am I to be doing this? Or I say, well, I mean that person is doing it because X, y and Z, so you know, you start with those thoughts that are completely useless and that just lower your energy. So I think that's the way that sometimes I get stuck. Or when you compare with someone, oh, they already did it, how are they going to do it? I'm so far alone. So I get stuck in that way. But I have the tools now to really say, well, this is my journey and I have a philosophy in life you can only score goals if you shoot to the goal, to the goalie. I mean, if you don't try, if you don't start moving, you don't advance. So for me, perfection is the enemy of the good. So I just start and then I fix as I go, and whenever those thoughts come in my place, I just take one. I take one task, I do another task that takes me closer to that thing that I want to do.

Alethea Felton:

And thank you for mentioning that part about it, because even if you or others listening or watching don't get stuck in a serious way, I think you're absolutely correct Is that every person still has those self-limiting beliefs that we're constantly navigating through, which can be a form of getting stuck, and so the way that you will yourself to taking every step to get to where you have to be, I think, is key. And mentioning every step, scabby, you just didn't stop at coaching, you just didn't stop at the healthcare industry, but you actually decided to get into the podcast world. Get into the podcast world, and the fact that your podcast the English translation is at every step is quite profound. So what I'd like us to do now is I'm just curious, I want to pick your brain as to what sparked the idea that innovation for a podcast and tell us about what that podcast focuses on and how it's helping people.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

So I guess it was one of these ideals. I noticed that most of the podcasts when when I started were a lot about famous people. But, I noticed that around me there were so many people doing impressive things that I said these are stories. Nobody knows these stories. How can we share these stories and inspire others to do something good for their community or for themselves?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

do something good for their community or for themselves, and you don't necessarily have to be famous to achieve change around you. So that's how it started. I wanted to interview people that were not necessarily famous, but they were doing really good things in their communities. So that's how it started, but it also is. I was so interested in this conversation and learning from their journey that I thought others could also benefit from these conversations. That's how I started the podcast.

Alethea Felton:

And so what is the premise? I know that you said it's about stories, but I guess what I'm asking more about. I think that the title itself is really spectacular. What led you to naming?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

it that? But it's people that, at each step, are impacting someone. Ah, okay, I got you. It's more that, um, and the idea was that through their reflection, it's all about reflection. Like I don't, I rarely ask too much about their job. I ask more about their journey as a person. So, thinking about how, through the reflections of others, we can reflect as well.

Alethea Felton:

Exactly, and that's why I like our podcast do have similarities, because I always say with anybody that I encounter, even if it's like a meet and greet, even if we took our titles away, if we stripped us away of what we did, I am so interested in who you are at the core of being a person, and I think that's important because if we put everybody in a room together and all we had was us, at the very essence of who we are as humans, I think that oftentimes we find we have so much more in common than we do different, because we all go through this human experience, and so that leads me to even wondering when you're thinking about this journey of having everyday, ordinary people sharing their stories and also how they are influencing the world around them.

Alethea Felton:

Let's kind of shift here and talk about how are you showing up as the mom who is leaving this legacy for her children? So I want to talk about that. Is that? What type of a legacy are you hoping to lay down for those who come after you and for generations to come for?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

those who come after you and for generations to come. Yeah, I think the one thing that I always tell my daughters is, for the most part, anything you want to do, that you really want to do, I mean you have to be very clear. Something you want to do, you can do it. You'll figure it out and you'll do it. I think sometimes we don't do certain things because we don't really want them. We don't, we're not willing to do the sacrifice that are needed to get there. But my message to them is always figure it out. You're going to be able to do it if you really want it, but connect with yourself to see if that's what you really want to do. So that's the legacy I want to leave.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

I mean there are other things, obviously that you know, always be good to people, be compassionate and all those things, but I always tell them just try. My father always said don't say it, just do it. So I always have that in my mind when I said to my father you know, I want to study economics, don't say it, just do it. I mean like something he would always say like just get started.

Alethea Felton:

Gabby, when we talk about power transformations for my show, the Power Transformation Podcast is Transformation Podcast is as you know. It's how people have had to learn to overcome that challenge or adversity and just really be resilient in what they do and to show up for not only others but for themselves. In thinking about your life journey as a whole, how do you define resilience and how has that played a part in your journey as a coach as well as a podcaster, as you are interviewing people from all walks of life?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

I think for me, it's being clear on what I want and what I believe, on Mm-hmm and being connected with what brings me energy and what lowers my energy as well yeah, and what lowers my energy as well, yeah. And also, like the, I'm not into victimization. So I know that there are things that happen in my life that could have been better, but they're not so like I don't live in my country, they're not so it's just just, it is what it is. That's a little bit, uh, the way I see things.

Alethea Felton:

So that helps me do all the things that I that I want to move forward, and it's it's really fascinating that you said you don't believe in victimization, because I have encountered certain people, so I have a journey, but instead of me staying stuck in what I've gone through, I've used those as fuel catalysts to really launch me to that next level, and so there are people, though, who almost wear their victimhood like a badge of honor, and it really keeps them in this loop. Thinking about that whole concept of it is how have you learned to just navigate those waves and those challenges throughout your life without falling back into that victim mindset that you have refused to have for so many years? How do you do that continually throughout your life?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

Yeah, I think. I mean I don't know if my friends would agree with these or the people who know me would agree with these, but I have been lucky in my life. In many ways I have been lucky. So it's to this day, I think nothing horrible has happened to me, so it's probably easier for me to talk about not being a victim. But I don't know.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

I grew up in a household where this didn't exist. The way my father and my mom talked to us constantly was like okay, yes, and Okay, yes, and what are you going to do? Yeah, I got it, I understand. Okay, now what are you going to do? So it never registered in my life that, oh, I can. Oh, I know. It was like, okay, this happened. Okay, what's next? I know. No, it was like, okay, this happened. Okay, what, what? What, what's next? So I don't know. I think it's the way I have lived all the time. But also, again, I don't think anything horrible has happened in my life that that I would. I don't know if I would change my mind. Something really bad happened, yeah.

Alethea Felton:

But again, it's all about perspective, because you may not recognize it, but I would say me, from an objective point of view, for you to say nothing's horrible ever happened in my life. There may be somebody listening who's like what is she talking about? Nothing's horrible happened. She can't go back to her home country to live. That's horrible, that could be horrible for someone else. And so even when I have guests here on my show, sometimes I'll have people to say, well, I haven't really had anything bad. I tell people your story and your challenge is your challenge. Tell people your story and your challenge is your challenge. Never compare it with anybody else's, because what's hard for me might not be hard for someone else.

Alethea Felton:

And I think it goes back to that whole premise of not being a victim, of really standing in your power and knowing who you are and to say, hey, what happened has happened, I can't change it, but I can choose to make life and the next steps better for me as time goes on. And so that strength you have is, to me, the epitome of resilience, is that you've had to learn to adjust and navigate with each change in tide. It kind of reminds me a lot of my not by your age, but the way that you speak and your thoughts, my mom is very similar. She's like, hey, things happen, it is what it is, I can't change it, I'm going to move on. And to me she's gone through a lot of stuff, but to her it's nothing.

Gabrielena Alcalá:

So even that's why I say I have a friend in mind to say why are you talking about?

Alethea Felton:

I love it, though. I really love it, because then that, then too, it's like that. That is what keeps you going. You are aware of everything that's happened to you. You're not out of touch with it, but I think what my mom tells me is that the past is the past, what's done is done, and so all.

Alethea Felton:

I can do is choose to move forward. So, as we come to a close, Gabby, first of all, before I ask a closing question, say if a person's listening to you and they may, just like me, speak Spanish and English and want to learn more about your podcast, about your coaching services, and I'll have all of this in show notes but how can a person go about doing that?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

Yes, so my podcast. It's on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and other platforms. It's called A Cada Paso Podcast. I have a webpage as well for my podcast and a newsletter that I write about. I send a newsletter with a reflection of the day and the podcast and they can find me also on my website of my company website, mapa Healthcare Consulting there is. You can contact me from there and we can talk about coaching. If you want connecting with your values or anything else you want to talk.

Alethea Felton:

Wonderful and say Gabby, if a listener is hearing you and say I'm very intrigued with everything that you had to say, I know that I want to make an advancement, but I don't think it's possible for me. I'm just in this rut. I'm in this state. I don't know which direction to go. There can't be hope or help for me. What would you say to that person?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

That there's definitely. Everybody has something to offer, everybody has something that makes them special, and I that sounds very cliche, but really you have something and if you, if not, you can learn it, and then it's only about getting started. The moment you start and you start refining and seeing and learning, you are on your path. Everything is just advancement. It's really just advancement. I used to think as well I mean, until you connect with your strength and the life you want to live, you're not going to be able to discover what you can offer. Like I had a friend who stayed over at my house this weekend and she's like yeah, but I don't know. I mean being in this organization, I don't know what I have. And I asked her for opinion about a course that I'm creating and she gave me an amazing feedback and I'm like here, here you are, you have something to offer. Yeah.

Alethea Felton:

Which she didn't know. Yeah, exactly. And as a closing question, especially thinking about what a person has to offer and that we all have something to offer overcome, soared in and excelled. What is your greatest strength and where does that strength come from?

Gabrielena Alcalá:

I think I'm a doer. I do things. I'm totally. If I learn something, I apply it. If I go to a course, I'm going to apply what I learned. If I have something in my mind, I will do it.

Alethea Felton:

I'm just a doer. Thank you for tuning in to this episode of the Power Transformation Podcast. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to follow or subscribe, leave a five-star rating and write a review. It helps us inspire even more listeners. And don't keep it to yourself. Share it with someone who could use a little power in their transformation. Until next time, keep bouncing back, keep rising and be good to yourself and to others.

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